Spike Tassel (Post 83): Saul the Pharisee wouldn't have paid attention as to what Mark was writing about or Matthew's thoughts. That particular Saul would have gathered whomever he could, whether it was Mark in front of him or Matthew, and arrested him according to the authority he had been granted by the high priest, etc. Paul the Apostle would have been very interested in both Mark and Matthew as brothers in his new-found faith, especially as he gained experience with them in the ministry.
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Jesus.....God or God's son?
by digderidoo infollowing on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.
i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?
consider these two scriptures:.
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Spike Tassel (Post 81): From my analysis of the NWT, I find that God with no qualifier is NOT Jesus Christ, but Jesus' "Father" (Creator) Jehovah. If there is a Scriptural trinity (threesome in union), I venture to say that the third "person" would have to be a composite, all of those (both heavenly and earthly) in harmony with Jehovah through Jesus Christ, though the terms "trinity" and "third person" do not appear in the NWT text per se I far as I know. I believe that he term "union" is used in such a way at Jno.17:21, although Jesus here is focusing on those he was then praying about and their disciples. By the way, Reniaa, I've responded by PM to your last PM to me, hopefully in a more useful fashion.
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Are You Paul or are you Saul?
by reniaa inthis was the same man at different times in his life yet he changed his name because he completely changed his ideals and goals too.
both were extremely zealous, both thought they were doing gods work, both thought they were working for the greater good.. acts 8:3 (new international version)3but saul began to destroy the church.
going from house to house, he dragged off men and women and put them in prison.. soul thought gods work was to destroy the christians but paul.... acts 20: 19i served the lord with great humility and with tears, although i was severely tested by the plots of the jews.
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Spike Tassel (Post 80): I hereby thank Mad Dawg and UnDisfellowshipped for addressing Pistoff's issues with what I have said on this thread recently. I have much yet to learn; we each serve where/ how we can, according to the spirit within each of us. I have nothing further to add at this time in reply, other than to say "Keep up the good work on this very interesting thread".
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Hi I hope i am welcome
by cantleave inhi guys and gals,.
i am a hypocryte.
brought up in the "truth" but know its not.
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Spike Tassel (Post 78) re The-Borg (Post 349) and mrsjones5 (Post 9503): I could wish Reniaa and I were already such good friends, but she's not responded to any of my PMs so far. Hopefully she sees this and acknowledges what you're saying. She's very good at apologizing, I've found, when it is actually required. I find her very honest in this aspect. As for Matthew 23, Jesus showed that he knew his audience's culture and attitudes well, even referring to them hiding Jehovah's name and righteous requirements and approval of Jesus, when Jesus is reported as saying the words of verse 39: "For I say to YOU, YOU will by no means see me from henceforth until YOU say, 'Blessed is he that comes in Jehovah's name!' " This clearly shows what type of independent thinking Jesus has always had — a model for us to follow closely.
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Is the Governing Body the Only Channel of Communication between God and Men?
by UnDisfellowshipped inlet's take my questions one at a time (since you said i had posted too many on my other thread):.
* can you please explain to me, using only the bible, why anyone should believe that today's governing body of jehovah's witnesses (or the "faithful slave class" of the jehovah's witnesses), is the "sole channel of communication" between god and men?.
* in addition, can you explain why we should believe that christ's parable of the "faithful and discreet slave" was predicting a "class" of anointed christians who would give orders to all other christians, instead of simply teaching that faithful christians will be rewarded by christ when he returns?.
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Spike Tassel (Post 77) re mrsjones5 (Post 9500): I'm not Jehovah God, that I should be proved true or right. My exercise here is to improve in my ability to listen to others for the good they may help us understand, and to articulate sound thinking as best I can.
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Do Not Say: "The Society Teaches"!
by compound complex inwt 1998 - 3/15 p.19 .... .
"in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovahs witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.
instead of saying, "the society teaches," many witnesses prefer to use such expressions as, "the bible says" or, "i understand the bible to teach.
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Spike Tassel (Post 76) re OnTheWayOut (Post 8376): Such a bold assertion as "the Society twists the Bible to say..." requires clear proof and a loving motive, does it not? After all, are we not bound to love our neighbour and our enemy even as we do ourself. Should we not rather apply the Golden Rule and upbuild our audience, even as we require nurturing love ourself?
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Hi I hope i am welcome
by cantleave inhi guys and gals,.
i am a hypocryte.
brought up in the "truth" but know its not.
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Spike Tassel (Post 75) re The-Borg (Post 348): Among all that have been in human form, I recognize only Jesus Christ as my leader, as per Mat.23:10. As long as there living faith and love, there is hope and reason.
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Is the Governing Body the Only Channel of Communication between God and Men?
by UnDisfellowshipped inlet's take my questions one at a time (since you said i had posted too many on my other thread):.
* can you please explain to me, using only the bible, why anyone should believe that today's governing body of jehovah's witnesses (or the "faithful slave class" of the jehovah's witnesses), is the "sole channel of communication" between god and men?.
* in addition, can you explain why we should believe that christ's parable of the "faithful and discreet slave" was predicting a "class" of anointed christians who would give orders to all other christians, instead of simply teaching that faithful christians will be rewarded by christ when he returns?.
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Spike Tassel (Post 74) re mrsjones5 (Post 9495): I agree that Reniaa and I and various others here are, indeed, "independent thinkers" (according to the defintion you proved in your Post 9494), yet dependent upon all of Jehovah God's words and principles (Mat.4:4,7,10) as we try to be true in our worship to the Most High and not fool ourselves (though we each remain imperfect works-in-porgress).
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Is the Downfall of Jehovah's Witnesses More Important Then You?
by AllTimeJeff in(on proofreading this, i feel that this is more preachy then i meant it.
so as a disclaimer, i hope you know that if you get that impression, that i didn't mean it that way.
having said that, this is what i feel, so if you relate to this in any way, enjoy.
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Spike Tassel (Post 73) to AllTimeJeff (Post 1677): I don't find dogma worthwhile either, whether it's JWs with dogma or Catholics with dogma or evolutionists with dogma, etc. Personally, I'm here on JWN to work through myself, and deal with all the responses I get. I find that I'm on quite a "steep learning curve" to attempt to think through and adapt to all the different reactions in a coherent fashion. Unlike your "experience as an elder", I find this communication exercise to be much more real than any "game". I'm interested in learning the language of hearts, while I'm attempting to worship the very real God we all must learn from to live a truly successful, deeply satisfying life (Mat.4:4,7,10).
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Do Not Say: "The Society Teaches"!
by compound complex inwt 1998 - 3/15 p.19 .... .
"in order to avoid misunderstandings, jehovahs witnesses try to be careful about how they express themselves.
instead of saying, "the society teaches," many witnesses prefer to use such expressions as, "the bible says" or, "i understand the bible to teach.
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Spike Tassel (Post 72) re parakeet (Post 2854): How we "ought" to speak or act depends on the application of the relevant Scriptural principles, and the setting(s), and the context(s), and the culture(s), and the mood(s) of all the participants involved. Since we all are imperfect and with a certain amount of free will, it is a very subjective exercise we are all engaging, or attempting to engage in. I find that principles such as perpetual reasonableness and caution (as well as dignity and tact) are always helpful to achieve progress in our increased understanding and peaceableness with one another, whether friend or foe, acquaintance or stranger.